Searching for birth certificate in Reggio Calabria

[dvasques]

The parents of Michele Gramuglia in BA #62 are Santo Rocco Gramuglia and Domenica Gramuglia.

FYI - I have been searching for a marriage for Michele/Miguel's parents in a few towns in Reggio Calabria (for the 20 years before 1900)
I have found many Gramuglia marriages, and even found one or two Carmine Gramuglia, but the bride is never Carmina Severina.

T.

Thanks a lot, Tessa.
Yes, it has been the same for me. Specially in Bagnara Calabra. It seems that the Gramuglia family is highly concentrated in that comune, but I can't find the right one.

[Tessa78]

The surname Severina does not appear today in Province of Reggio Calabria, but instead in Cosenza province (and not in great numbers).

In Reggio you will find the surname Severino
From greatest to least numbers...
Reggio di Calabria
Gioiosa Ionica
San Ferdinando
Bovalino
Gerace
San Giovanni di Gerace
Martone
Roccella Ionica
Siderno
Gioia Tauro
Marina di Gioiosa Ionica
Grotteria

Perhaps we should look for Carmina? A birth (which might have a notation of marriage) or a marriage.
Marriages usually took place in the hometown of the bride
Notice that the surname Severino does not appear in Bagnara Calabra today...

T.

[dvasques]

I found this:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2140223

It is Michele's (my great great grandfather) sister. In this document the father's name appears as Carmino, although I'm pretty sure his name is Carmine.

The mother's name appears as Carmella, and in other documents it appears as Carmela (I just saw in your last message you thought it was Carmina, sorry I didn't see this before). But the most interesting part is her surname. In documents that I have it is always Severina. But now this one saying Sovarina...???

In cognomix.it there is no Sovarina, no Sovarine and a few Sovarino only in Sicily.

But yeah, great idea of looking for MIchele's mother! I'll try something using Severino.

[Tessa78]

Well, I think it's time we also try to find her birth act in 1894!

T.

[dvasques]

Not being successful so far, for neither marriage act or Concetta's birthday act. For the MA I've tried all comuni that appears Severino families in the Reggio Calabria province

[Tessa78]

Not being successful so far, for neither marriage act or Concetta's birthday act. For the MA I've tried all comuni that appears Severino families in the Reggio Calabria province

I know, I have been unsuccessful as well.

T.

[adelfio]

Ive been following this post Im starting to think the family is from the Calabria region not from Reggio Calabria province

Marty

[Tessa78]

Hi Marty,

When I did a search of surnames in Calabria Region, the Gramuglia surname was most predominant in the Province of Reggio Calabria. It appears today in only a few other comuni in Calabria. If records are online, they should be easy to search.

ANY help in the search would be welcome!

SURNAME in Calabria Region...

Gramuglia 123.41 Bagnara Calabra Reggio Calabria
Gramuglia 8.64 Lamezia Terme Catanzaro
Gramuglia 8.43 Seminara Reggio Calabria
Gramuglia 8.22 Pianopoli Catanzaro
Gramuglia 5.86 Villa San Giovanni Reggio Calabria
Gramuglia 3.60 Reggio di Calabria Reggio Calabria
Gramuglia 3.01 Gioia Tauro Reggio Calabria
Gramuglia 2.87 San Procopio Reggio Calabria
Gramuglia 2.82 Scilla Reggio Calabria
Gramuglia 2.70 Guardia Piemontese Cosenza
Gramuglia 2.61 Ricadi Vibo Valentia

T.

[dvasques]

The only document in Brazil that shows Michele's origin, other than just Italy, says Reggio Calabria. Plus what Tessa said above. So I thought of starting looking in this province first.

However this document is his naturalization card done when he was about 55 years old. I'm not sure how reliable it is. Perhaps the family is from another province indeed...

[Tessa78]

The only document in Brazil that shows Michele's origin, other than just Italy, says Reggio Calabria. Plus what Tessa said above. So I thought of starting looking in this province first.

However this document is his naturalization card done when he was about 55 years old. I'm not sure how reliable it is. Perhaps the family is from another province indeed...

You did not post the document...

T.

[adelfio]

Miguel Gramulha
Brasil, Cartões de Imigração
Name Miguel Gramulha
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1958
Event Place Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Gender Male
Marital Status Unspecified
Nationality Italy
Traveling With Children No
Birth Date 02 Mar 1900
Birthplace Reggio-Calábria
Father's Name Carmo Gramulha
Mother's Name Carmela Severina


PG LINK TO RECORD
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1932363

Marty

[Tessa78]

I found this:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2140223

It is Michele's (my great great grandfather) sister. In this document the father's name appears as Carmino, although I'm pretty sure his name is Carmine.

The mother's name appears as Carmella, and in other documents it appears as Carmela (I just saw in your last message you thought it was Carmina, sorry I didn't see this before). But the most interesting part is her surname. In documents that I have it is always Severina. But now this one saying Sovarina...???

In cognomix.it there is no Sovarina, no Sovarine and a few Sovarino only in Sicily.

But yeah, great idea of looking for MIchele's mother! I'll try something using Severino.

As it turns out... there is the surname Soverino in Reggio Calabria

T.

[dvasques]

Sorry I forgot to attach the document. Thanks, Marty for doing so.

I'm panning the documents from the comune di Reggio Calabria, looking for a Carmela Soverino!

[dvasques]

For the record, I sent an e-mail to the director of the Archivio di Stato di Reggio Calabria (using a template), asking for the records in the Lista di Leva of the province. The body of my e-mail is as follows:

"Scrivo per chiederLe un favore: sto cercando il luogo di
provenienza del mio trisnonno Michele Gramuglia (Miguel Gramulha in Brasile) che è nato in Italia, ma non so in quale Comune. A questo fine, chiedo cortesemente una ricerca nella LISTA DI LEVA in nome di Michele Gramuglia di
Carmo (o Carmine) Gramuglia."

I got a reply for that, however they have searched the Ruoli Matricolari, instead of the Lista di Leva. Here is their reply:

"OGGETTO: Transmissione notizie - Michele Gramuglia
Con riferimento all'e-mail del 26 agosto 2017, si comunica che il nominativo indicado in oggetto non risulta iscritto sulle rubriche alfabetiche dei ruoli matricolari di questa provincia dal 1898 al 1902. Si fa presente che è possible consultare gli atti di Stato Civile accedendo al portale Antenati, curato dalla Direzione generale per gli Archivi, dove sono pubblicate le immagini digitali degli atti di Stato Civile esistente negli Archivi di Stato italiani."

Should I try to ask again for a search in the Lista di Leva records?

[dvasques]

I've found Michele's father (Carmine Gramuglia) death certificate in Brazil. It only says that he is from Italy and that he was born around 1866.
His parents (Michele's grandparents) are Michele Gramuglia (too many Michele in this family!) and Concetta (Concetta too!).

Because of that, I've found two records (death certificates) of whom I suspect are Michele and Concetta's (Concetta Versace) children, along with Carmine.
The first is Antonina Gramuglia (1871-1913) that have died in Bagnara Calabra and the other is Santo Rocco Gramuglia (1876-1943) also in Bagnara Calabra.

Here are the links to these two records:
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 6.jpg.html

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 4.jpg.html

I am trying to read those and get some good information, but it seems that they just say that they all lived in Bagnara.
Is there anything I could be possibly missing?

Thanks!