"Still Born" Child was Alive...It's a Cover Up!

[Tessa78]

I just added to my last post above.

T.

[Rossonero3]

They stay in the outbox until I read them...

Sorry, I was searching in Maddaloni.

Thank you for the docs. It will take me some time to review.

EDIT TO ADD:

The documents you provided were all generated in the USA. Since no birth act/certificate is necessary for verification of dates, etc., we cannot rely on the contents being accurate (e.g. as to the birthdate)
Immigrant-provided information was very inaccurate across the board.

As to the ship manifest - the information contained there was usually taken from an Italian document such as a passport or visa (traveling papers) and usually have the accurate information.

Given that Italian women maintain their maiden name, and since Carmela would travel using that surname, it happened that her children were listed as Del Pizzo. This was a common error on manifests.
This manifest image that you provided does not give the date of arrival, nor does it identify the name of the ship. It is only the Customs list of passengers. Do you have the original ship manifest?

As to Maddaloni - I found a birth act for a Giuseppe Imperato in 1895 - born to Domenico Imperato who was the son of Antonio. It just verifies that there were Imperato families in Maddaloni.

T.

His naturalization papers show the date and name of the ship of their arrival in 1896. The name of the ship btw is "Chateau Yquem"...Using the date he provided and ship name I had to manually go through the catalog on Ancestry for that date/ship, out of 40+ images it was the 2nd to last page. So there is no doubt that is them on that ship in 1896. This is the only manifest I could find. Here is the link if it helps...

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... 4001012178

"As to Maddaloni - I found a birth act for a Giuseppe Imperato in 1895 - born to Domenico Imperato who was the son of Antonio. It just verifies that there were Imperato families in Maddaloni."

Right, so they probably just went there to stay with relatives before embarking.

[Tessa78]

Thank you for the images and information.

You have certainly done your research!

My thoughts...
It would be strange for Carmela and her children to travel to USA in 1896 unless her husband traveled there before her. - So looking at the manifest you posted for Alfonso in 1902 - he states that he had been in USA before - from 1893 through 1901 (8 years is written above the dates.) It would be nice to find that 1893 arrival for Alfonso.

It would also be nice to find the family on the 1900 US Census as well...

All that being said, it does not give us a clue to Giuseppe's birth. We need an Italian document to solve this mystery.


T.

[Rossonero3]

Thank you for the images and information.

You have certainly done your research!

My thoughts...
It would be strange for Carmela and her children to travel to USA in 1896 unless her husband traveled there before her. - So looking at the manifest you posted for Alfonso in 1902 - he states that he had been in USA before - from 1893 through 1901 (8 years is written above the dates.) It would be nice to find that 1893 arrival for Alfonso.

It would also be nice to find the family on the 1900 US Census as well...

All that being said, it does not give us a clue to Giuseppe's birth. We need an Italian document to solve this mystery.


T.

Thanks Tessa, I do tend to put in too many voluntary hours, but we do love it don’t we? !

You are correct Alfonso first arrived in 1893, sorry I should’ve disclosed that earlier. I do have the manifest but again being an older one it does not give any information like the newer ones do.

Check out this record I found on the Ancestry mobile app https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/156209 ... 225632227d