Town or neighborhood called Giosenale in Napoli

[Genbridges]

I am researching the Oliva family in Pennsylvania. Paolo Oliva's burial record gives his place of origin as "giosenale" Napoli. The closest I can come to finding a place by this name is a road called Via Giovenale near Fuorigrotta. I have looked for records in Fuorigrotta, Chiaia, and Posillipo and some other surrounding areas, but found no records for this family. Can anyone help me identify where in Naples this "Giosenale" might be? Thank you!

[suanj]

I am researching the Oliva family in Pennsylvania. Paolo Oliva's burial record gives his place of origin as "giosenale" Napoli. The closest I can come to finding a place by this name is a road called Via Giovenale near Fuorigrotta. I have looked for records in Fuorigrotta, Chiaia, and Posillipo and some other surrounding areas, but found no records for this family. Can anyone help me identify where in Naples this "Giosenale" might be? Thank you!

more than one Paolo Oliva lived in pennsylvania.. if you can add infos abt your ancestor maybe finding his arrival we can know more..

in brackets we write the province to which that municipality belongs...

[NickAndreola]

Agree with Suanj. Without more accurate specific information it is extremely difficult to help you. How old was he? When did he show up in Pennsylvania? Did he naturalize? The immigration & naturalization documents are often the best ones to look for clues to point of origin.

See how this Paolo Oliva's biography was built https://www.familysearch.org/tree/perso ... s/G4GZ-B8F

[Genbridges]

Paolo Oliva was born 2 Jul 1859 in Italy. He arrived in New York in June 1883, married Anna DeCina in 1884 and died 24 September 1933 in Hazleton, Pennsylvania. I have pretty much all available information in the US. I am looking for help identifying the place name (picture above) where he was from in Italy. This was written on the burial record from the Most Precious Blood Catholic Church where he and his family attended in Hazleton, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. This is the only place where a birth place name other than "Italy" was mentioned.

[Genbridges]

...His parents names were Amadio Oliva and Carmela Matteo.

[suanj]

In Posillipo district, where is Giovenale st from 1856 to 1859 on the 2 or so June no one Paolo Oliva.
I suspect that Gioseale is a wrong spelling if Poggioreale

[NickAndreola]

This appears to be the family's records/tree (with many significant discrepancies). It is noted on the 1910 census that Paolo/Paul has naturalized + the 1920 notes that Paolo & Anna both naturalized in 1892----have you located those records?


https://www.familysearch.org/tree/perso ... s/9668-K4Y


1889 Marriage record shows birth 2 July 1859
12 June 1883 immigration (apparently based on info given) shows birth ~1856 "United States Italians to America Inde ... Maryland. and "New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1891," ... on, n.d.).

1910=50 / 1920=60 / 1930=71

[suanj]

Finally!!!!
Think and think abt Giosenale, and finally!
I finally came to find .. The name of the birthplace was a mystery. I am an expert riddler, and I could not fail .. what were the wrong letters of this name. I thought that in dialect "C" is often confused with "G". So I abandoned all attempts and went directly to look at all the municipalities of Campania, not just Naples, because in Naples I had looked everywhere and could not find it. Nonetheless, the idea did not come.
Following the proverb that "peasant calls peasant" I looked at all the Oliva who arrived in the USA up to 1900. And how strange there were some of CESINALI in the province of Avellino. Avellino is a province of the Campania region of which Naples is the capital. I therefore went to search among the births of 1856 and I found nothing. I thought that probably Paolo's 27 years of age was actually a wrong number, because he always declared 1859. Often they hid the age, but Paolo has always been linear .. So I went to look among the births of 1859:
Cesinali, Avellino, Campania IT
27 Jun 1859
Paolino OLIVA born on 27 Jun 1859 #27 son of Amodio OLIVA 24 old, farmer son of late Saverio, and of Carmela DE MATTIA 29 old

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 70/0AP82N9
suanj

[suanj]

Cesinali is far from Napoli just 45 minutes of car..

[suanj]

In local dialect the Cesinali name is spelled: Ggisinàli

[NickAndreola]

Once again you have created MAGIC! A verifiable solid family connection out of a hat......amazing!!!!!!!!!!

[suanj]

Once again you have created MAGIC! A verifiable solid family connection out of a hat......amazing!!!!!!!!!!

suanj